E34: Chason Forehand - Full 5/13/25

Introduction to The Corvus Effect

[00:00:00] Scott Raven: Welcome to The Corvus Effect, where we take you behind the scenes to explore integrated self leadership and help ambitious family men build lasting legacies for themselves, their tribe, and their community. I'm Scott Raven, and together we'll discover how successful leaders master a delicate balance of career advancement, personal health, financial growth, and meaningful relationships. Get ready to soar.

Meet Chason Forehand: From Homelessness to Leadership

[00:00:32] Scott Raven: Hello everybody. Welcome to another episode of The Corvus Effect. I'm Scott. Today I'm thrilled to be joined by Chason Forehand, a man whose remarkable journey from homelessness and addiction to non-profit leadership demonstrates the transformative power. A purpose driven work as the founder of HR for you.

[00:00:59] Chason advocates for living wages and dignity in the workplace, while his Innovative Transformation Kitchen program provides culinary training to underserved communities. From corporate HR leadership to social impact entrepreneurship. Chason and sos, how personal. Adversity can fuel authentic advocacy and create lasting change.

[00:01:25] And just to show how other people are feeling about this, Chason's HR for you has earned the platinum seal of transparency from Candid for three consecutive years. So if you wanna talk about an organization that does things on the up and up and other people see it. Chason's got one of those organizations.

[00:01:47] So Chason, welcome to the podcast,

[00:01:49] Chason Forehand: Hey man. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. heck of an intro. I appreciate that.

[00:01:54] Scott Raven: yes. No worries at all.

[00:01:56] You know, first things first, right? Let's get the obvious out of the way. I am a diehard Ohio State lover. You are a diehard Michigan lover. You won the battle. We won the war this

[00:02:07] Chason Forehand: true. Yeah. I'm sitting here and you know, as we're recording this, I'm like, do you want me to move my hair, my spiky hair over my Michigan license plate. So you don't ah.

[00:02:17] Scott Raven: no, No,

[00:02:18] no. It's a reminder of we've got unfinished business and Ann Arbor yet next year, so that's fine.

[00:02:24] Chason Forehand: true. This is true. It, it's every single year. It doesn't change.

[00:02:28] Scott Raven: You know what? A little adversity never hurt anybody.

Chason's Early Life Challenges

[00:02:30] Scott Raven: And I would say that that's actually a wonderful starting place to talk about your journey because your journey certainly started with adversity.

[00:02:41] With some of the early life challenges that you had to deal with in terms of school and addiction and homelessness, and I'll let you expound further on that, but I'm interested how that early experience form the foundation for what you've been able to build up.

[00:03:05] Chason Forehand: Well, it's interesting. There's a lot of different stories to tell. I will make it as succinct as possible for the podcast and just say that I grew up with very abusive, maternal people in my life. People that were. Not fit to be moms. So it's very, you know, as we get closer to coming up to Mother's Day, that's a sore subject for me.

[00:03:30] Even at my age. It still bothers me. And I think about, how people that have a mom and a dad Two loving parents and how that influenced their lives and what that did for them.

The Impact of Childhood Trauma

[00:03:52] Chason Forehand: And I think the worst thing about it is not even just the physical abuse, it's the mental abuse by my stepmother for 12 years that was more damaging and Has taken decades to heal from than even the physical abuse. That's like, okay, you go, you get patched up, you do X, Y, Z and you're over that. And a lot of that early stuff from my real mom, I don't even remember.

[00:04:09] Scott Raven: You can't completely unwire it. You can form new roundings to work around it, but you can't completely unwire it.

[00:04:16] Chason Forehand: So it's, I mean, I think the wheel that was set in place of being unworthy and no good and all the things I tried to do early in my life to try to earn that love and earn that trust and you can't, someone who doesn't love themselves and reacts that way to children. You can't earn that. You can.

[00:04:40] There's no way. I didn't know it. I was too young to understand really what was going

[00:04:46] Scott Raven: but it, it's a classic. Hurt people. Hurt people, and I'm sorry that you had to go through that man.

[00:04:51] Chason Forehand: You know what? Everybody's got something. Everybody's got something in their lives. Some, some journey along the way that was messy. And, You know, I was meeting up with another outlier this weekend and driving in the sleet, in the snow, and I was so excited to meet them because I've seen them a couple of times.

[00:05:06] And, Lisa Joyce, she's a delight. And she lives not too far from me. And we're getting together and we're talking and we trade our stories and even people like herself that had a very good childhood and didn't have, you know, trauma in her life like that, there are still people that have better childhoods but still experience.

[00:05:31] Things along the early part of their journey that kind of trip you up. And if you're not mentally prepared for that at the time when it happens to you and you don't have people around you that can help guide you and love on you enough to help direct you, it could get ugly and get messy.

[00:05:50] And that's what happened to me.

[00:05:51] Scott Raven: it certainly has ramifications, not in the moment, but also further. I mean, I make no bones about it that, during my, adolescence when my father was at. His profession for long periods of time because he was a C-Suite executive and they were going through a number of things right, and thus he was never around.

[00:06:12] I definitely felt the ramifications of not having his presence in my life, so that's certainly something that I can completely understand. N

[00:06:23] Chason Forehand: I mean, everybody's got those different things that have kind of formed where they are and who they are. And I think the thing that happened after that is that when I gave up. You know, I got tired of trying to be the kid that's got the straight A's and is doing all the things and showing up when I wasn't seeing that love and that attention and everything being brought back.

Turning to Substances: A Period of Self-Sabotage

[00:06:47] Chason Forehand: And I started then trying to escape. So then I went into drugs and tried to just drown out all the pain through substances. And that's where, this next period of my life got really challenging because I was self-sabotaging I was not prepared to deal with the things that had happened.

[00:07:10] it perpetuated a, lifestyle that was, not healthy,

[00:07:16] Scott Raven: You know, I'm curious. Let's stay there because I've had a similar experience in my life when I had a very senior position eliminated reduction in force, fell into a deep depression with alcoholism. So much like you tried to drown my sorrows, if you will. That led me to really having to learn.

[00:07:37] The tools and the mindsets and skillsets that I needed to succeed out of adversity.

Finding Redemption in the Culinary World

[00:07:42] Scott Raven: And for you, that came through the culinary arts and becoming a chef. So I'm curious how that environment instilled the wisdom that you needed.

[00:07:55] Chason Forehand: Well, it's funny because it's, the polar opposite of what you think. So when you hear about someone who's dealing with any kind of. Addiction and you hear them say, well, I've found a kind of a better path in the culinary world, people may be scratching their heads and going, wait, this is an industry known for sex, drugs, and rock and roll.

[00:08:15] So how did that happen?

[00:08:18] And it happened in the form of people that were pouring into me, and particularly a chef that decided to pay it forward to me. Saw the potential in me, even though I had failed I failed him. I didn't show up, for multiple shifts. And a very high end restaurant that was on its way and a, a chef that was nominated for all these different awards and then, you was just on every magazine and you know, just doing all this stuff. And I'm lucky that I made the team and I tell this story about I'm great at making the team during those time periods. It's what happens after that. I would fall apart because The life would catch up to me. I, you could wear the mask for only so long and then real life catches up.

[00:09:07] And so that was what had kept on perpetuating in my life, in business and in my personal life. I wear the mask, it seems great, the honeymoon period's over and people see you and then now it's like, oh, well that's not what I thought, so over and over again, those things showed up in that way.

[00:09:26] And it did here, I went through a stage, I made the team and, got on board and started doing really well and learning and growing because it was really a high end place and I was relatively new in my journey, but had been recommended from a restaurant that was closing down. 'cause it happens and.

[00:09:45] I fell apart and I missed Friday night service, Saturday night service, Sunday brunch, and I, you know, come stumbling in Sunday afternoon. And have to have a come to Jesus meeting with the chef. And so this person decided because they came from alcoholism and drug abuse. They had two things going on.

[00:10:09] In their life and they had been clean for 10 years, had been sober for 10 years, and had given up all of the things in their lives that had driven them. And they said somebody had paid it forward to them

[00:10:23] Scott Raven: Right?

[00:10:24] Chason Forehand: wanted to pay it forward to me. And so it's taken me years. That's now what has fueled me to do what I do because someone took the time to pay into me and now I've been working and trying to grow.

[00:10:39] Scott Raven: It's so fascinating how it just takes finding the right person at the right time who appreciates what you're going through in the right way. And then you as an individual have to take advantage of that opportunity when it comes, right? 'cause nothing is ever given to you in life. And I love how you've taken this and used it as the catalyst.

[00:11:07] For HR for you in a lot of respects, to pay it forward to those who are in situations with wage inequality.

Advocating for Fair Wages

[00:11:19] Scott Raven: And I know a lot of this was born from what you saw in life and the chef, but why so personal in terms of fair wage for everybody? Why is this such a passion for you?

[00:11:34] Chason Forehand: I think there's a couple different things. One, I think when. I worked in the culinary world and then that blossomed me into HR because I started leading bigger teams and started growing in my position to where I had teams in multiple states and multiple locations. And I realized working in a corporate environment.

[00:11:59] That there was a lot of leaders that only cared about the bottom line. We didn't care about how we got the numbers. We only cared that we got the numbers. It was only about the p and l. It wasn't about the people that are helping us create those numbers. And so I realized early on that. I, I don't know what I'm doing really, and I'm making a lot of mistakes.

[00:12:20] I'm still not completely healed myself. I'm working on a lot of internal things and I. I just wanted to make sure that if I poured into people and I cared about them, all these great things were going to happen, and I'm going to bloom. They're going to bloom, the company's going to bloom, and I saw it over and over again.

[00:12:44] So the advocacy part of what we started with HR for you is really simplistic. Hey, look, if you care about the bottom line and you care about. Making more money, then guess what? If you take care of the people on your team and pay living wages and care about them as human beings, have some follow up and, give them the tools they need to thrive, not just survive, then it's going to impact your bottom line in a positive way.

[00:13:12] It's also going to impact them, their families, and have a rippling effect on the community.

Debunking Misconceptions About Fair Wages

[00:13:18] Scott Raven: Let's get into some of the common misconceptions about this philosophy because I can hear the chirp birds who are CFOs saying, don't you understand that labor is one of our biggest expenses, right? And we've got to report numbers to the street.

[00:13:37] I can hear the chirps in terms of managers say, look, if you give people all of these ways that they can take personal time and restoration, then they're obviously not doing anything from productivity, and I'm ultimately the one who has to handle it at the end of the day. Right. Let's dispel some misconceptions here.

[00:13:59] Chason Forehand: Well, all right, so let's talk about some data. 44% of the United States workers make below a living wage that impacts everyone, whether it's happening in your company, in your city, and wherever it is going to impact. All of the things that are around you, because if, people need help from the city or the government, that's gonna affect your taxes, that's going to affect what you do, whether you're part of that or not, whether your company is paying or not.

[00:14:31] So the socioeconomic ramifications of people that are unhoused of people that are in food deserts and don't have enough to eat of people that don't. Make enough money to take care of their families and how that affects crime and the economics of that area is it impacts all of us.

[00:14:52] So when you break it all down and you say, this is a large number of people in our, in the United States that are not making enough money.

[00:14:59] And then you say, okay, let's go look at the top a hundred companies that are. Taking care of people and are known for paying it forward for giving resources to their, to the people.

[00:15:14] Look at their scores anywhere that they've been judged, either a 360 or whatever it is in any format. They keep getting these really high scores and it's because people stay longer. There's higher retention. They show up, they care about the job that they do. They actually, even if they're leaving, they have a great.

[00:15:37] A narrative about the company, which means that they can come back. You might want them back later on in their lives. We've seen that where people will cycle out but then cycle back in. They think the grass is greener, but then they're like, whoa, no, and they come back, but even if they don't come back, they speak highly.

[00:15:54] Of that company. I mean, one that comes to mind just because, we're outliers and we're connected with some of these people is vaynerMedia is a multi-billion dollar company that has all of these facets and all these people, they have the chief heart officer, they are, intentional at every step of the way of creating this infrastructure of caring for people and making sure that they take care of people because they understand how that's going to impact their bottom line. you could look at. The naysayers can naysay until they get all the data. When you go to people a lot smarter than me that have been talking about this for decades, like MIT.

[00:16:38] Who we use their, living wage calculator that they created, or you go to, Forbes or, Harvard Business. Any of these organizations that have done really in depth research, it all comes out the same. And the same is when companies take care of people. Those people. Want to stay longer.

[00:17:03] They have less sick days. They're more entrenched in the mission, vision, and purpose. And they create, they're highly productive and the team itself thrives. And when it does, that impacts not just them, their families, their kids, their neighborhood. It creates change. And so For me, it's like I'm not arguing something that hasn't, this isn't a new concept, it's just that it's still not happening and it's getting worse.

[00:17:37] Scott Raven: I'm reminded of this analogy. There's a story of, a man and his daughter walking along the beach and there's thousands and thousands of starfish that have I. Washed up on the beach and the man looks and just is beside himself because he's like so many , well, I can't do anything about it.

[00:17:57] the daughter goes, picks up the starfish, throws it back in the ocean, right? And the man says to the daughter, you can't possibly do that for every starfish that's out here. And the dollar looks back and says, yeah, but I did it for that one.

[00:18:11] Chason Forehand: Yes, I love the Starfish story, and the first time I heard it was, a lady by the name of Han and people call her G and she has an incredible book that I, have around here somewhere next to me, but She tells that story in her book, and it was the first time I'd ever heard it. But it's so incredible and it's so apropos that when we focus in on the ones, the individuals within our team we make sure that we are giving them all the tools to do the right, to empower them to be successful, because at the end of the day, yeah, payroll.

[00:18:50] Personnel, of people management is the highest expense you're going to pay in an organization. So it just logically, in my mind, makes sense to want to take care of them to do right by them because guess what? they can cripple you as an organization. Or they can help lift you up.

[00:19:12] So I'm for giving everybody all the tools I'm gonna say this too, because Vayner makes a very good point. I remember seeing Gary V say this because one of the things that people misconstrue is that you give All these tools and all these things, and you just throw 'em out there to the universe versus like being individualizing it to people.

[00:19:34] 'cause people learn in different ways and they, thrive in different ways. And Gary Vee even said, Hey. Not everybody's gonna wanna be the next manager. Not everybody's gonna run at the same pace. Understand that we're gonna give you all these tools, we're gonna give you the availability to move and grow at your pace, but don't be upset when Sally or John Jose or whoever next to you moves at a faster rate than you because they're hungrier or they're taking the time, or their skill level is moving at this rate.

[00:20:07] Understand that if you have a pace that you've set for yourself, that's fine and we're gonna support you. But don't be upset about

[00:20:14] the other people.

[00:20:15] Scott Raven: love that. as somebody who ran many marathons. most of them for charity was never somebody who's gonna finish top, whatever, right? But I've learned that concept of run your race at your pace, right? Don't get caught up in the people who are flying off the start line, because they're probably gonna be the people who are.

[00:20:36] Trailing it when you get to mile 18 and 19 and you know, it's fascinating how you've taken this concept of individualization in order to transform the HR movements and then expanded upon that.

Transformation Kitchen: A Vision for Change

[00:20:52] Scott Raven: In terms of transforming the kitchen through of all things Transformation Kitchen. So I would love to hear about the genesis of this concept in terms of bringing a lot of different parts of your life to into something which is fascinating and incredible.

[00:21:14] Chason Forehand: I thank you for saying that. Transformation Kitchen is boots on the ground for our advocacy. It's the next evolution. And we called it out in 2023 saying that by 2024 we wanted to launch these programs. And we did. We were able to do it, and it started slow and it's expanded to five different methodologies within this one program.

[00:21:40] One of them this June, I'm gonna go spend three weeks in Monte GPA Nicaragua with Peter Shaler. Yeah. And we're going to build a physical transformation kitchen there, I'm so excited about all the different ways that we can impact not only just people in the United States, but people in other countries, and how we can, from youth.

[00:22:05] And the work that we're doing with the Boys and Girls Club here in Newburgh to what we can do once we have a physical space and we start to have more students flow in and we give them training and wellness checks and we feed them. Not only their soul, but we also help them feed others. what that impact will look like as we've already started to do some of the small steps.

[00:22:36] for me, it is a passion project. 'cause I, like we said at the very beginning, I grew up in the culinary world and secondly, You think of food, art, and music, those are three things that transcend barriers and biases and languages. It's just like people understand art, food, and music.

[00:22:57] They understand those three things

[00:22:59] And we understand That old analogy, if we could teach a man to fish versus giving him the fish, we teach a person to fish that they will be able to teach that to others, and it's going to have a rippling effect, not just on them, but their families and their

[00:23:18] communities.

[00:23:19] Scott Raven: I'd Love for you, and it'll be difficult because this is audio, right? People have to paint the picture in their head. Sorry guys. Right. But this approach, which involves skills training, it involves youth culinary education, it involves food desert outreach. Help us paint the picture in terms of.

[00:23:39] What success looks like. You know, maybe there's something in Newburgh that you can just say, Hey, I remember this one time, and you know, allow people to immerse themselves in what this looks like, what this feels like.

[00:23:53] Chason Forehand: I'll go backwards and then I'll come, forwards. Just to answer your question directly, but in the long run, the long term, because I think anything in nonprofit, nonprofit is a business has to be run like a business. But at the same time, I run this, we operate as. At a 30,000 foot level in the long game, just like a marathon of like, this is a race that's never going to end.

[00:24:20] I would love it for it to end. I'd love if there's no poverty, there's no homelessness, no food insecurity. Put me out of a job. That would be great. If I didn't have a job and I had to find other things to do, I'll go fishing. that's fine, but. Right now in the foreseeable future that hasn't happened. So having that impact in the United States and in other countries to make a difference, our goal is that when people talk about transformation kitchen, it isn't about Chasong forehead. They know, oh, there's a transformation kitchen here this country and over here, and look at the impact they're having.

[00:24:56] That means to me that we are succeeding. That's the long-term goal. On the short-term end of what we're creating, we already see the victories of, Hey, here at Newburgh, they just built in this one room. They built a brand new kitchen so that we can teach culinary skills to young minds anywhere from nine to 17.

[00:25:19]

[00:25:19] Chason Forehand: we're earning small grants so that we can help it come to fruition and really blossom. In Alpa, who would've thought that we are going to be able to go to another country and operate with another nonprofit, which we are big proponents of locking horns with other organizations to do better good, have a stronger impact.

[00:25:45] We do it constantly because I think it's the right thing to do. And I can't wait to be there in June and make this happen. These are physical things that are going on now, but I look at, okay, what, are we going to be able to do when we have our own, food truck, when we're not borrowing other people's food trucks to do our love the block and feed the food deserts?

[00:26:06] What happens when we have our own little physical space? We can make a production kitchen and we can feed people and we can train people and we can create and give awareness out to the community. What's that going to look like? And we have our Gardens of Hope and other things like that that we're working on that.

[00:26:27] We know that as the pieces come together and the doors open, we walk through them in faith, knowing that we don't have all the answers, but we do have the skills and the people that are dedicated to want to create that change. And so that's the

[00:26:43] brilliant part.

[00:26:44] Scott Raven: And I'm hoping that there are some nonprofit leaders. Who are listening to this because I've talked to enough of them that they feel between a rock and a hard place sometimes in terms of all of the areas that they are trying to impact. As part of their mission versus the organizational constraints that they have.

[00:27:16] Right, and they feel like. It's never gonna be enough. We can't sustain this. You know, they're pushing people to the point that there's burnout in terms of never being able to have that balance.

Mentor 4 Good: Sustainable Nonprofit Leadership

[00:27:32] Scott Raven: And I know that for you, with one of your other initiatives, mentor for Good, you're trying to change that.

[00:27:39] You're trying to change that through your own direct experience and successes to say you can do good. And have it be sustainable.

[00:27:50] Chason Forehand: It's a great call out because, it's something like 67% of all nonprofits fail in the first five years, and it's because of multiple facets, but really boils down to there's not a solid foundation. whether you're trying to boil the ocean because you're trying to create so many different things at one time, you're passionate about a lot of stuff, but you don't have any good business sense, so you have no idea how to create the foundation so that you have a strong structure or, you know, whatever it may be.

[00:28:22] But those components really are things that we see over and over again when organizations go down and. I don't want that to happen. and we're not the only ones doing it. There's another lady that's over in Utah that's doing it, that actually has a free program that she offers.

[00:28:40] And if people contact me, I'm happy to link them up with her.

[00:28:44] We have a program, we do charge for our program and for our time, the money that we get from Mentor for Good goes right into Transformation Kitchen. So we don't even see it from a standpoint of, oh, this is income, it's taking care of payroll, or whatever. This income from Mentor for Good goes directly, which is small, it's a small income, but that goes directly to Feed Transformation Kitchen.

[00:29:08] Scott Raven: And you were talking about you wanna talk about legacy now. You got HR for you, you got Transformation Kitchen, plus you have all of the offshoots of successes from Mentor for Good. Right? Like you said, it's not about the money or the output, it's about the totality of the impact,

[00:29:25] which is created.

[00:29:26] Chason Forehand: That's another reason why we will do a lot of work where we collaborate and truly will. Lockhorns with other organizations. Katie Ray, who's a fantastic outlier in Florida, has fostering Hearts Florida, where she's working and advocating for foster kids. And there are so many other people that have fantastic organizations and we want Dan Vasquenza and culture City.

[00:29:58] I mean, there's.

[00:29:59] Right in your backyard, man. Yeah,

[00:30:01] Scott Raven: I was there with him and a bunch of other outliers last night at the gala.

[00:30:04] Chason Forehand: man.

[00:30:06] Scott Raven: what they're doing with Culture City. Absolutely.

[00:30:08] Chason Forehand: So anytime we get a chance to link up and do good with other people, for me, that's A win. Because oh, look at what we did and anyway, we'll talk about those wins because we want people to know our impact.

[00:30:22] But it is not about hubris, it's about we want to connect and you'll see it over and over again if you're following anything we do. And you're talking to the people that we're talking to. Over and over again. We're connecting with other nonprofits to do good work because we feel that that's the way we have greater impact and helps

[00:30:42] them stay strong.

[00:30:43] Scott Raven: It's so powerful because oftentimes, we look at the world of nonprofit as a zero sum game and scarcity in terms of, everybody's fighting for the same dollars, and that, people look at it as competition versus. Coopetition in turn, and, allowing groups to grow together, rise all tides together.

Closing Thoughts and Call to Action

[00:31:06] Scott Raven: And so it's really a beautiful segue as we begin to close this down because you're obviously somebody who's transformed adverse situations into powerful advocacy, whether it be personally, professionally, nonprofit. People are just tuning into this podcast right here at the end. What are the key lessons of resilience and purpose driven leadership that you want them to understand and take away?

[00:31:38] Chason Forehand: the first thing is knowing to ask for help. forgetting that it's the first step in a 12 step program is recognizing that you are powerless against your addiction, but you need help you don't have the ability to do it on your own. And I think organizations, especially nonprofits, but organizations need each other.

[00:32:01] When we realize that we need each other and we ask for help and we collaborate together, we're only going to impact more people and solve more problems. So that for me, is where I plant my flag. But growing from resiliency, to me, it's taken me a long time to realize that I was resilient. I'm still, even at my age, still doing the work.

[00:32:27] Really, the past three years is the most deep work and the most critical work that I've done in a long time, in decades,

[00:32:37] and it really is about recognizing the things that I've overcome through the grace of God, through the help of others through The people that I surround myself with that are cheering and are advocates and understand our mission, vision, and purpose, and understand me as a human being and give me grace,

[00:33:01] then how that carries through and allows me to do the same for others. To pay that forward, to offer grace to others, be a helping hand and an ear and a shoulder that.

[00:33:12] Is what I think we are built for. We're built for community. We're built to help others. We're built to be connected. We're built to have our own groups that thrive together and cheer when each other thrives. Without comparison and without any shame or guilt or, oh, I wish I could do that. Just allowing each other to, thrive.

[00:33:36] I,

[00:33:37] Scott Raven: Beautiful.

[00:33:37] Chason Forehand: that has taken me a long time to get there,

[00:33:39] Scott Raven: Yeah. Very hard in order to not be envious of others, right? Oh, look at this person doing blah, blah, blah. I wish I had that, et cetera. Right? But exactly to your point, comparison is a thief of joy. And don't we want our lives at the end of the day, not only to be impactful but joyful.

[00:34:00] Along the way, and certainly this has been a joy in terms of being able to talk to you. How can others get in contact with you? Learn more about your, initiatives and, uh, if they want to be, part of future growth, be a part of it.

[00:34:16] Chason Forehand: Well, I appreciate you asking that. We'll share all the links 'cause we're everywhere. We're all over social media. But we focus primarily on, LinkedIn, YouTube, and Facebook. But we're on all media and we have a growing website So there's a lot of ways that people can help and it's not all financial.

[00:34:35] I think that's one of the misconceptions as well from people when they think that, Hey, all nonprofits need money. They need money to survive, but. are a million different ways you can help, and not all of them are financial. A lot of them have to do with being able to use your time and your energy reposting, commenting on a post, sharing a video, something simple that doesn't take a lot of time or effort, but means the world.

[00:35:04] To a young nonprofit that's growing and it means a lot to people that are bigger nonprofits, trust me,

[00:35:11] but I think we are very sensitive to it as smaller nonprofits. But that, yeah, There's a, there's a lot of ways that

[00:35:19] you can help

[00:35:20] Scott Raven: every large nonprofit was a small nonprofit back in the day,

[00:35:24] Chason Forehand: This That's right. That's right. Well, Chason, again, thank you so much for being on the Corpus Effect. Any final words before we close this down? I.

[00:35:34] Well, I just thank you for the time and for guiding the conversation and for all you do man. I appreciate you.

[00:35:43] Scott Raven: I appreciate you. Right. But then again, I try to appreciate everybody. Some days I succeed more than others. I'll put it that way. Right. And I even got past the whole Michigan thing in the back, so. We're all good, but Chason, thank you so much for a wonderful episode. Two, my Listening Audience, thank you so much for spending your time with us.

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